Now let's deal with the controversy, per se, which is I think is a mild one. And when then you read histories about the quotes controversy unquotes I tend to think there is always looking for a problem around this because this is such a quotes perfect image unquotes. Firstly, Rosenthal won the Pulitzer prize which I mentioned before. As a Brit, I tend to take that as a badge of excellence of things coming out of America. Certainly the work of Richard Rhodes on the building of the atomic bomb is something that I picked up on when it was Pulitzer Prize winning. Okay now, just let me go through this quote. Had I posed that shot, I would have ruined it. I would have picked fewer men. I would have also had their heads turning. So that they could be identified and nothing like the existing picture would have been there. So the accusation that it was a posed photograph At the time that Rosenthal took it, I think is something that needs to be put to one side. Part of that is the fact that Rosenthal packaged off the images, and when they were received by associated press and then distributed, he didn't actually make the decision about what was printed. So, I belive the conversation was something like, Jim, did you post that photograph? And he was thinking about what is being known as the Gung Ho photograph which I'll come to a little bit later. Where after the flag had been raised he lined up the troops and took a reference photograph of them celebrating that particular event. So it came through a little bit As if the photographer had said yeah, yeah, sure I did it as a posed photograph. Not knowing that the preliminary photograph, the actual flag-raising itself, was the one that had been carried on the U.S media in such details. One of the things I've already pointed out is that we actually have four photographers taking the first and second shots of the flag raising, so to speak. And I think the film particularly deals with this incident quite appropriately. This was not the victory moment. And in fact, this is six days into the conflict. As I point it out, that means there's the better part of a month of fighting still going on. This was not raising the flag for final victory, it was signaling America as geographic dominance on one of the most prominent points of the regime at that time. And there was the replacement of the flag, and may well be in the context of a, having a larger flag put up, and b that the retrieved first flag would then become a memento. So Does it dull the importance of this image a, that this is not the victory moment? No, because as I'm going to come to a little bit later, it is work in progress. It is a battle still to be completed and the image implies that, or at least one interpretation implies that. Secondly, was it a posed image? No, not in the way that we might think, and again consider what we were discussing yesterday with the Battle of Mogadishu. I think poor Watson was very brave in taking those photographs. I'm in no way criticizing them but there is that interaction between the camera. And the subject here, if you look at the image, the subjects are all facing away, so this gives it credence as reportage, this is in the process. It's not we froze at that degree guys, so I can take the snap. It's that's the snap that was taken. And thirdly, does it matter that it's the first, or the second flag raising? Well there were photographs of the first flag raising. But they don't carry the same emotional weight as that taken by Joe Rosenthal. So it is the moment, the time, and the composition. And when we go back and consider some of the things we said earlier about, well what was happening immediately before and happening immediately afterwards. In this case, I really think we can't talk about capturing the moment. And what was that read in to it was enormous degree of sentiment of to wether be along and attracted war across the Pacific. So it's a combination of factors, I don;t think it's important to have the complex. I do think it's important to be aware that this was not the only photograph taken, or the only flag raising, but does it diminish the impact the photograph? And I do not consider that it does.